Which bane was better

Batman's symbolic appeal as a hero was crap after the Joker. He became a villain, a murderer of Gotham's "white knight" no less in the eyes of the public. Newjak Originally posted by Robtard Batman had been basically inactive and out of commission for years and years by the time we get to TDK Rises.

He became a villain, a murderer of Gotham's "white knight" no less in the eyes of the public I'm not talking about him being a hero I'm talking about everything Bruce built Batman up to be. A creature of the night to strike fear into villains.

Bane totally tore that apart. Not even the Joker did that. The fact is Batman tried to use everything he built himself up to be in the Bane encounter and it got totally taken from him.

His striking from the shadows, his armory, his body, his desire to save people. Bane took it and broke it all. Also Bane plunged Gotham into far more Chaos than the Joker did. Robtard Originally posted by Newjak I'm not talking about him being a hero I'm talking about everything Bruce built Batman up to be. All that was already 'torn apart' before Bane showed his face and spoke with his silly voice.

By the opening scene of Rises, Gotham's criminals no longer feared him; Gotham's citizens no longer looked up to him as a hero. All courtesy of the Joker. Batman was less than half the man he was in their first encounter. There wasn't much to take, he was washed up already.

Bane also had a lot more help and it wasn't Bane. Joker was 1 in his schemes. Newjak Originally posted by Robtard All that was already 'torn apart' before Bane showed his face and spoke with his silly voice. Gotham's criminals no longer feared him by the opening scene of Returns.

He wasn't torn apart, criminals still feared him except they were mostly in jail. And Batman had some of his better feats leading up to the Bane fight so he obviously wasn't half the man he was. Bane was the one doing all the calculations and planning. Talia was just the pretty face was all.

As he told the doctor by my calculations. Robtard Originally posted by Newjak He wasn't torn apart, criminals still feared him except they were mostly in jail. Batman was torn, shredded and broken by the start of Rises. He had been retired for years possibly presumed dead and Gordon had cleaned up the streets using Dent's death and faulty hero-status as the push to galvanize all of Gotham against crime key element of the end of Returns.

Criminals didn't fear Batman any longer and he wasn't a symbol for good. Cos of the Joker. Why Gordon wanted to tell the truth during his speech in Rises. No, it was evident at the end that Talia was pulling the strings all along.

From Wayne losing his fortune and so forth. KingD19 Bane: By Talia's calculations Batman: Who the hell is Talia? Bane: Umm, no one. Shut up. Good going Bane, you really screwed the pooch on that one.

Nephthys Originally posted by Newjak He wasn't torn apart, criminals still feared him except they were mostly in jail. Bane specifically says that 'victory has defeated you. And yet could still put his leg through a brick pillar without flinching.

I wish Nolan would have made his mind up. The anesthetic pain didn't convey superhuman strength in the film, did it? I'm pretty sure it was a brace and not a full-blown cast. Robtard Pretty sure it supported him from just below the hip down to a brace around his foot.

I'd have to check though. Should it be a mere brace, then Bane must be declared the winner by default. Indicating that such a feat is below him when he was at his peak. Plus he just smashed it a bit, he didn't put his foot through it and they were old bricks.

The fact is that a doctor spelled out for us just how badly Bruces body was damaged, and it was basically a lot. Besides which is the decline in his fighting prowess. Bane is borderline superhumanly strong. He shatters a side of a pillar with his punches and cracks Batmans cowl. Winner of what?

I'd disagree, actually. Joker completely abolished the notion of Batman being the boogieman of the underworld By replacing him as a far more terrifying one. Look back at Marcone's conversation with him. The clown? He don't have rules. Criminals no longer feared Batman. They feared the Joker. Bane honestly has a build that is not far off from Olympic strongmen. We must have watched different movies This thread. It all comes down to the foot. Yeah I know, I just wondered if there was an explanation for his strength that I missed.

Yes it was a brace. Robtard His other joints might have not been as painful to him. Cos it hurts to wear. It was just a knee brace, started about mid thigh and end a bit under the knee. No he cried like a man.

Talia was the only one with a fricken plan and it failed. The Joker's plans don't fail because he doesn't have any. Newjak Originally posted by Dolos Talia was the only one with a fricken plan and it failed. I love how people are like the Joker didn't have a plan, of course he had a plan.

His plan was to get Gotham's people to kill themselves to show them their true selves which failed and you can tell his plan failed by the look on the Joker's face afterwards.

He just told Harvey all that hogwash about chaos to get him to do what he wanted. Originally posted by Robtard Batman was torn, shredded and broken by the start of Rises. People still feared the Batman, I mean that one cop who shot Bruce's emp gun about peed himself when Batman gave him the are you serious face.

So obviously people were still afraid of him. He also took out multiple armed gunmen trained in the League of Shadows ways. That would by far be his best group fighting feat. As for the brace you find a brick pillar that looks the same as the one in that shot and try and kick it apart and tell me how far you get down on it.

My guess not very far at least not without a broken foot. As for the Talia reveal nothing in the shots or aftermath contradicts anything Bane did. She never said, "Oh look Bruce I'm the one who planned this all. I'm the one who did all the calculations. I mean she may have put the overall plan together but it's pretty obvious Bane was the one making it work. Unless you think while she was pretending to be a Gotham socialite for years trying to convince Bruce to give her the new energy source she found time to plan complex snatch and grabs, to the detail, as well as get all the contracts and business people together to rig all of gotham to blow up like it did, while sneaking all the men into gotham with heavy weapons.

I think at best Talia was more of a figure head, and she was like Bane I need Batman's armory make it happen. Bane I want this scientist make it happen. Bane this is my plan make it happen. Bomb wasn't evil.

That would be like saying Talia's daggar was evil too. And the bomb didn't oppose anything. It just let everybody use it and throw it away. I know what quan was saying and i was disagreeing. Bane was a henchmen. And boom goes the dynamite Newjak Please that bomb was pure evil. You could tell just from it's maniacal laughter juggerman Originally posted by Newjak Please that bomb was pure evil. You could tell just from it's maniacal laughter quanchi Originally posted by juggerman So you believe Batman's main adversary in the movie was Talia?

Originally posted by Robtard Luthor is Superman's arch-nemesis. No, those are just the recurring villains. They aren't his ultimate enemies just the frequented ones. Death of Superman--Doomsday, pal.

He broke Superman. Luthor hasn't. Luthor just cooks up plans for years and always comes up short. Batman was broken in combat by Bane not Joker. Now sit down Rob or I will have to embarrass you again.

Originally posted by Tzeentch. Joker was easily taken in by Batman. Just the final one quanchi Originally posted by juggerman No. Just the final one By your own logic Two face in the final boss of part 2. Feel the burn. Oh in ya FACE! Joker deferred to him which kinda makes him his unofficial boss. Some uneventful showdown in an alley isn't greater than an event which almost takes gotham off the map. Joker "created" him and let him run amok. Hardly makes him a boss.

Villian yes but not boss Robtard Originally posted by quanchi No, those are just the recurring villains. So utterly wrong. You need to read some comics, or in the very least do a few minutes of internetting. You're too busy embarrassing yourself with wrongness, so slow down before you take on another task.

Each of these mega events needed someone badass enough to do so. It wasn't their recurring baddie. It was someone who took them to the brink. The Batman trilogy also makes it clear.

Bane was the final main antagonist not Joker. Joker was someone he easily took out. Originally posted by juggerman Joker "created" him and let him run amok. Villian yes but not boss Joker gave him the chance to take his own life. That's something a boss can do. Best part is this final villain thing backfired on you.

Bane broke Batman on screen. Joker was someone batman easily rounded up. Robtard Originally posted by quanchi Each of these mega events needed someone badass enough to do so. You can moan all you like, it's not going to change the canonical fact that The Joker and Luther are respectively Batman's and Superman's arch nemesis. Read some comics, man.

A boss needs someone to allow them the opportunity to kill them? Wow quan. Just wow. Bosses don't get permission to do things. Two Face needed permission. He crippled Barbara. Name me a few arcs spotlighting Luthoro of greater significance than Death of Superman?

Just WOW He didn't need permission. Giving someone the opportunity to take your life means he was the boss of his life. That's called owning someone. Due to being a recurring villain. Pay attention to what it is I am saying you hick. Robtard Originally posted by quanchi Name me a few arcs spotlighting Luthoro of greater significance than Death of Superman?

That's a start. Lex Luthor is Superman's arch nemesis. Just getting your ass kicked by a villain doesn't cut it. You and your penchant for throwaway villains. Dolos Originally posted by Newjak I love how people are like the Joker didn't have a plan, of course he had a plan. He made it up as he went along. When he started out his plan didn't look anything like that.

His plan is terror, or fun with the Batman whose psych he found interesting. That's what made his plans better than Talia or Ducard's, they're plans were sedantic whereas the Joker's was adapted and improvised. No, name an arc for both of greater significance.

I knew you couldn't give one example. You don't read comics or grasp movies. Luthor fails time and time again.

Superman can afford to keep him alive because he's a joke. Doomsday needs to die because he's that big of a deal. He did need permission. He was completely at Joker's mercy for the 2nd time. Had Joker not put the gun in his hand he would never have had the option to kill him. In other words Joker gave him the power.. Not sounding very boss-like Newjak Originally posted by Dolos He made it up as he went along.

How much of it do you know is improvised. He rigged two entire warehouses to blow, he rigged two boats to blow, had transmitters built for them.

Some of the stuff he probably did make up but he definitely invested way too much time and effort for it to have been all made as as he goes. Also even if he did that in no way makes his plans better. Especially considering his plans were in fact kind of dumb when you think about them too much Dolos Originally posted by Newjak How much of it do you know is improvised. Especially considering his plans were in fact kind of dumb when you think about them too much He did relish in disfiguring Harvey's face.

That's why he's a better villain, because he's undeniably crazier. A villain should be measured on their malevolence. The closer to the Slanderer himself, the better.

Newjak Originally posted by Dolos He did relish in disfiguring Harvey's face. So And that only makes him a better villain in your eyes, people have different opinions on what makes villain better. Not sounding very boss-like Yes, giving someone power over you makes them your boss.

I cannot think of a more submissive act than giving an unarmed man a gun and letting them kill you if they choose. Then again Joker does like lady's clothing. Originally posted by Dolos He did relish in disfiguring Harvey's face. That's how choose to rate a villain but your criteria applies to you and you alone.

Robtard Originally posted by quanchi No, name an arc for both of greater significance. Crisis on Infinite Earths was of far greater importance. That was pre Doomsday. Kingdom Come was of far greater importance. Anyhow, time for you to do your dance. Not that arguing against facts ever stopped you. But the Death of Superman wasn't all that "great" and Doomsday isn't Superman's arch nem cos of it.

Superman came back shortly after and we learn he didn't actually die. A decent story, but nothing spectacular. Doomsday came back too. So anyone with a gun that can kill someone if they choose to is a boss? Some low standards you got there quanchi Originally posted by juggerman So anyone with a gun that can kill someone if they choose to is a boss?

Some low standards you got there Yes, you allow them full power over your life. I liken to to master and slave. Joker is Two face's slave. Kingdom Come has to do with a different superman.

You are so ignorant is actually causes my handsome face to smile. I am talking in terms of solo threat to Superman. You didn't name any arcs with Luthor in them as the main villain. How typical of you. You're still such a dwarf.

Newjak Originally posted by quanchi Yes, you allow them full power over your life. Batman has a huge list of great villains that stands up against any other superhero in Marvel or DC. With names like Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Catwoman, Poison Ivy and so many more, even the lesser used Batman villains are better than some main villains. However, there is one villain that did something that the others couldn't accomplish -- Bane actually broke The Bat.

However, while Bane was a true monster and a devastating threat in the world of Batman comics, his portrayal in movies and TV shows have been very different. There have been some amazing portrayals of Bane on both the big and small screen, but there have also been some embarrassing moments. Here is a look at every version of Bane, ranked. Sitting at the bottom of the list is a version of Bane that was a complete insult to the comic book character, and it is no surprise that he appeared in the most hated movie in the entire Batman movie franchise.

With Arnold Schwarzenegger hamming it up as Mr. Instead of being a dominating warrior capable of beating Batman, he was a comically enhanced bodyguard and henchman for Poison Ivy. A tiny criminal, he was blown up thanks to the Venom strength-enhancing drug, but didn't have a brain to do anything but follow Ivy around the entire movie. As he did in the comics, Luthor set his sights on disgracing Superman and in the movie actually put together a team of government employed superheroes who were eventually sent after Superman and Batman.

In the movie, he tried to take the bounty to bring in Superman but Batman beat him rather quickly. Batman Ninja was an interesting release in An animated Japanese movie based on Batman, the movie sees Batman battling Gorilla Grodd at Arkham Asylum and end up getting displaced in time, sent back to Feudal Japan. Just like in his timeframe, he ends up battling versions of his enemies who were also displaced there, led by Joker. Catwoman explains that they were all sent there two years before Batman arrived in different forms.

Bane, while looking amazing in his character design, was the most disappointing -- reinvented as a Sumo wrestler styled character that just yells constantly and is beaten rather quickly. Quite honestly, when it comes to Bane being a deadly warrior, the version from LEGO Batman Movie has to rank near the bottom of the list. Therefore, with Bane relying on external drugs to boost his strength, it is very apparent that Thor is the stronger of the two. No matter how much Venom Bane induces, he will still be weaker than Thor at his weakest.

Even without Venom, Bane is incredibly strong. Furthermore, once Venom is factored into his system, Bane grows far stronger than Cap could hope to match. Despite his enhanced skills and infinite bravery, Captain America would have to rely on far more than his abilities if he hopes to survive an encounter with Bane.

Without Venom, Bane would still be strong enough to take down Tony Stark without his suit. As Iron Man, Tony Stark has accomplished some impossible feats in terms of strength. Furthermore, with suits like the Hulkbuster Armor at his disposal as well, it is really hard to see any way in which Bane is stronger than Iron Man. However, despite the advanced Vibranium tech as well as his own superhuman enhancements, Black Panther is still not as strong as Bane.

Because of this, Bane is definitely stronger than Black Panther. Vibranium itself is one of the strongest metals in the Marvel Universe and is almost impossible to puncture. Thanks to his mutant ability, Juggernaut is easily one of the strongest beings in the entire Marvel Universe.

Not only can nothing virtually stop Juggernaut, but he has even been shown to be capable of swinging entire buildings.